Discussion:
4 door Mercedes Benz car is in what class?
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jvalh
2011-03-14 22:44:49 UTC
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Hello again Experts,

I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.

Which would be correct?

Thanks.
Tiger
2011-03-15 22:28:43 UTC
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It really depends on what size of saloon you are looking for. Being in
Europe, you got tons of choices to pick from. Diesel is the way to go.
Jens
2011-03-16 02:33:27 UTC
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Post by jvalh
Hello again Experts,
I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.
Which would be correct?
Thanks.
240D is E-Class with chassis model W123 build 1976-1986

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
jvalh
2011-03-16 09:07:05 UTC
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Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Hello again Experts,
I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.
Which would be correct?
Thanks.
240D is E-Class with chassis model W123 build 1976-1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
Thank you very much Tiger and Jens.

WikiPedia was right on the button :-) I had no idea that it was
spreading its coverage so widely.

My task right now is to register this car and the particular model is
not included in the Irish list - http://www.vrt.ie/
The closest model they have to this is the E-Class Saloon (W211).
My W123 has only 91,500 miles on it.
The bureaucracy here is quite stunning - a large collection of nitpickers!
Tiger
2011-03-16 18:14:26 UTC
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1984 240D is a W123 body... predecessor of W124 that begans 1985 is Europe.

W123
W124 is sucessor...

W211 is modern E class that begans 2003.

Perhaps you need to look in the "Classic" list or Historical category.
Jens
2011-03-16 19:55:10 UTC
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Post by jvalh
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Hello again Experts,
I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.
Which would be correct?
Thanks.
240D is E-Class with chassis model W123 build 1976-1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
Thank you very much Tiger and Jens.
WikiPedia was right on the button  :-) I had no idea that it was
spreading its coverage so widely.
My task right now is to register this car and the particular model is
not included in the Irish list -http://www.vrt.ie/
The closest model they have to this is the E-Class Saloon (W211).
My W123 has only 91,500 miles on it.
The bureaucracy here is quite stunning - a large collection of nitpickers!
The car is in the list all right.

Choose Mercedes-Benz / 240 / 1984

Model 240 is by definition 240D.

If you have the chassis number, I can possibly give you exact details.
Jens
2011-03-16 20:07:40 UTC
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Post by jvalh
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Hello again Experts,
I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.
Which would be correct?
Thanks.
240D is E-Class with chassis model W123 build 1976-1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
Thank you very much Tiger and Jens.
WikiPedia was right on the button  :-) I had no idea that it was
spreading its coverage so widely.
My task right now is to register this car and the particular model is
not included in the Irish list -http://www.vrt.ie/
The closest model they have to this is the E-Class Saloon (W211).
My W123 has only 91,500 miles on it.
The bureaucracy here is quite stunning - a large collection of nitpickers!
The car is in the list all right.
Choose Mercedes-Benz / 240 / 1984
Model 240 is by definition 240D.
If you have the chassis number, I can possibly give you exact details.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I see, you were in the "Quick C02 Emissions and VRT Rate Calculator".
That is provided by an independent third party, and it does not cover
older models - possibly because the model is before the CO2 based VRT
system.

That does not mean you cannot register it. You should be able to do it
on the "VRT Calculator (Easy Complete)", which is also the one I
referred to above. However, the system seems not to work.
jvalh
2011-03-16 20:46:25 UTC
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Post by Jens
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Hello again Experts,
I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.
Which would be correct?
Thanks.
240D is E-Class with chassis model W123 build 1976-1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
Thank you very much Tiger and Jens.
WikiPedia was right on the button :-) I had no idea that it was
spreading its coverage so widely.
My task right now is to register this car and the particular model is
not included in the Irish list -http://www.vrt.ie/
The closest model they have to this is the E-Class Saloon (W211).
My W123 has only 91,500 miles on it.
The bureaucracy here is quite stunning - a large collection of nitpickers!
The car is in the list all right.
Choose Mercedes-Benz / 240 / 1984
Model 240 is by definition 240D.
If you have the chassis number, I can possibly give you exact details.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I see, you were in the "Quick C02 Emissions and VRT Rate Calculator".
That is provided by an independent third party, and it does not cover
older models - possibly because the model is before the CO2 based VRT
system.
That does not mean you cannot register it. You should be able to do it
on the "VRT Calculator (Easy Complete)", which is also the one I
referred to above. However, the system seems not to work.
Thank you Tiger and Jens.

The chassis number for mine is WDB 123123 1A 124698.

The VRT people are often confused themselves. I guess they will make
another guess.
Jens
2011-03-16 23:37:06 UTC
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Post by Jens
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Hello again Experts,
I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.
Which would be correct?
Thanks.
240D is E-Class with chassis model W123 build 1976-1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
Thank you very much Tiger and Jens.
WikiPedia was right on the button  :-) I had no idea that it was
spreading its coverage so widely.
My task right now is to register this car and the particular model is
not included in the Irish list -http://www.vrt.ie/
The closest model they have to this is the E-Class Saloon (W211).
My W123 has only 91,500 miles on it.
The bureaucracy here is quite stunning - a large collection of nitpickers!
The car is in the list all right.
Choose Mercedes-Benz / 240 / 1984
Model 240 is by definition 240D.
If you have the chassis number, I can possibly give you exact details.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I see, you were in the "Quick C02 Emissions and VRT Rate Calculator".
That is provided by an independent third party, and it does not cover
older models - possibly because the model is before the CO2 based VRT
system.
That does not mean you cannot register it. You should be able to do it
on the "VRT Calculator (Easy Complete)", which is also the one I
referred to above. However, the system seems not to work.
Thank you Tiger and Jens.
The chassis number for mine is  WDB 123123 1A 124698.
The VRT people are often confused themselves. I guess they will make
another guess.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I found only limited additional information:

Engine: 616912 10 380735 (2399 cc diesel, 53.6 kW @ 4400 rpm, 137 Nm
@ 2400 rpm)

Transmission: 717400 00 044185 (5 speed manual)

The VRT people should not get confused - it is a quite normal version
and with the chassis number they will have all they need.
DAS
2011-03-17 20:39:40 UTC
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Just to reemphasize, the 240D precedes the present model classification,
which was only brought in much later. It seems to me it happened, the then
model designation already made complicated by the arrival of the 190 (baby
Benz') needed to be reformed with the successor model to the 190, the first
of the C Class. The old standard car -- of which the 240D was one -- became
the E Class as Tiger and others have pointed out.

I haven't checked the numbers but I would not be surprised if the present C
Class has roughly the length of the old standard car, W123. All cars seem
to grow with each new model generation. And the manufacturers bring out new
small models to fill the gaps left...

DAS
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Post by jvalh
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Post by jvalh
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Hello again Experts,
I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.
Which would be correct?
Thanks.
240D is E-Class with chassis model W123 build 1976-1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
Thank you very much Tiger and Jens.
WikiPedia was right on the button :-) I had no idea that it was
spreading its coverage so widely.
My task right now is to register this car and the particular model is
not included in the Irish list -http://www.vrt.ie/
The closest model they have to this is the E-Class Saloon (W211).
My W123 has only 91,500 miles on it.
The bureaucracy here is quite stunning - a large collection of nitpickers!
The car is in the list all right.
Choose Mercedes-Benz / 240 / 1984
Model 240 is by definition 240D.
If you have the chassis number, I can possibly give you exact details.-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I see, you were in the "Quick C02 Emissions and VRT Rate Calculator".
That is provided by an independent third party, and it does not cover
older models - possibly because the model is before the CO2 based VRT
system.
That does not mean you cannot register it. You should be able to do it
on the "VRT Calculator (Easy Complete)", which is also the one I
referred to above. However, the system seems not to work.
Thank you Tiger and Jens.
The chassis number for mine is WDB 123123 1A 124698.
The VRT people are often confused themselves. I guess they will make
another guess.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I found only limited additional information:

Engine: 616912 10 380735 (2399 cc diesel, 53.6 kW @ 4400 rpm, 137 Nm
@ 2400 rpm)

Transmission: 717400 00 044185 (5 speed manual)

The VRT people should not get confused - it is a quite normal version
and with the chassis number they will have all they need.
Jens
2011-03-18 09:56:27 UTC
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Post by DAS
Just to reemphasize, the 240D precedes the present model classification,
which was only brought in much later.  It seems to me it happened, the then
model designation already made complicated by the arrival of the 190 (baby
Benz') needed to be reformed with the successor model to the 190, the first
of the C Class.  The old standard car -- of which the 240D was one -- became
the E Class as Tiger and others have pointed out.
I haven't checked the numbers but I would not be surprised if the present C
Class has roughly the length of the old standard car, W123.  All cars seem
to grow with each new model generation.  And the manufacturers bring out new
small models to fill the gaps left...
DAS
--
To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling'
Post by jvalh
Post by Jens
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Post by Jens
Post by jvalh
Hello again Experts,
I have the problem of determining the class of a 1984 Mercedes Benz 240
D. It has 4 doors and I have to pick the name from about 25 models.
A-Class, C-Class, etc. I would think it would be a saloon.
Which would be correct?
Thanks.
240D is E-Class with chassis model W123 build 1976-1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W123
Thank you very much Tiger and Jens.
WikiPedia was right on the button :-) I had no idea that it was
spreading its coverage so widely.
My task right now is to register this car and the particular model is
not included in the Irish list -http://www.vrt.ie/
The closest model they have to this is the E-Class Saloon (W211).
My W123 has only 91,500 miles on it.
The bureaucracy here is quite stunning - a large collection of nitpickers!
The car is in the list all right.
Choose Mercedes-Benz / 240 / 1984
Model 240 is by definition 240D.
If you have the chassis number, I can possibly give you exact details.-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I see, you were in the "Quick C02 Emissions and VRT Rate Calculator".
That is provided by an independent third party, and it does not cover
older models - possibly because the model is before the CO2 based VRT
system.
That does not mean you cannot register it. You should be able to do it
on the "VRT Calculator (Easy Complete)", which is also the one I
referred to above. However, the system seems not to work.
Thank you Tiger and Jens.
The chassis number for mine is WDB 123123 1A 124698.
The VRT people are often confused themselves. I guess they will make
another guess.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
@ 2400 rpm)
Transmission: 717400 00 044185 (5 speed manual)
The VRT people should not get confused - it is a quite normal version
and with the chassis number they will have all they need.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Right, the S- and SL-classes were called so for a long time. Others
were just the "standard" class until the 190 came. Then they started
calling the "standard" for the E-class and the 190 for the C-class.
And then looking backwards, the W123 was considered E-class (I have
seen a MB-poster lining up the various classes back in time).
DAS
2011-03-18 19:51:16 UTC
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When the "S" was a suffix on the number, did one actually speak of an "S
Klasse"?

DAS

To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling'
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"Jens" <***@minnet.dk> wrote in message news:0626b534-3d5d-4e93-a03c-
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Right, the S- and SL-classes were called so for a long time. Others
were just the "standard" class until the 190 came. Then they started
calling the "standard" for the E-class and the 190 for the C-class.
And then looking backwards, the W123 was considered E-class (I have
seen a MB-poster lining up the various classes back in time).
Jens
2011-03-19 10:38:49 UTC
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Post by DAS
When the "S" was a suffix on the number, did one actually speak of an "S
Klasse"?
DAS
To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling'
[..]
Right, the S- and SL-classes were called so for a long time. Others
were just the "standard" class until the 190 came. Then they started
calling the "standard" for the E-class and the 190 for the C-class.
And then looking backwards, the W123 was considered E-class (I have
seen a MB-poster lining up the various classes back in time).
Well, I am not an expert in these matters, but I looked i up.

The S stands for "Sonderklasse", which means something like
"Outstanding Class".

It began back in mid 1950's. Although the term S-Class was not
officially adopted at that time, it was used collegially when the
suffix S was used to identify the luxury models.

The so-called "Ponton" appeared with the same look in 3 body sizes
(W120-model180, W121-model 190 and W180-model 220). The S appeared
only with the largest model W180. It is discussed that W120 could be
considered C-Class, W121 E-Class and W180 S-Class of that time, but
since these class designations were not officially adopted, anything
or nothing is true or false.

The official adoption of the term S-Class came with the W116 in 1972

The official adoption of C- and E-Classes came in the 1990's when the
letter became prefix to the engine designation.
DAS
2011-03-19 22:58:34 UTC
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Interesting. I recall when I was a teenager in the mid-60s we had a 220S
(or SE?)... (My late Dad had a very senior job for a German company outside
Europe. BTW we also had a large crate of spares shipped from Germany as
they were not available locally. Now some Mercs are assembled in that
country...)

Even from later times I only remember speaking about "an S", but it is too
long ago to remember details, and you (Jens) did say that "S Klasse" as an
expression was adopted in the early 70s.

Was it used in advertising?

I supposed the S in front was adopted at the same time when E, the suffix,
for Einspritz/injection became E, the prefix, for E Class, a completely
random designation but an elegant way of retaining the E, when the ubiquity
of direct injection rendered the description redundant. BMW similarly
droppped the "i" suffix.

DAS
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To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling'
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Post by DAS
When the "S" was a suffix on the number, did one actually speak of an "S
Klasse"?
DAS
To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling'
[..]
Right, the S- and SL-classes were called so for a long time. Others
were just the "standard" class until the 190 came. Then they started
calling the "standard" for the E-class and the 190 for the C-class.
And then looking backwards, the W123 was considered E-class (I have
seen a MB-poster lining up the various classes back in time).
Well, I am not an expert in these matters, but I looked i up.

The S stands for "Sonderklasse", which means something like
"Outstanding Class".

It began back in mid 1950's. Although the term S-Class was not
officially adopted at that time, it was used collegially when the
suffix S was used to identify the luxury models.

The so-called "Ponton" appeared with the same look in 3 body sizes
(W120-model180, W121-model 190 and W180-model 220). The S appeared
only with the largest model W180. It is discussed that W120 could be
considered C-Class, W121 E-Class and W180 S-Class of that time, but
since these class designations were not officially adopted, anything
or nothing is true or false.

The official adoption of the term S-Class came with the W116 in 1972

The official adoption of C- and E-Classes came in the 1990's when the
letter became prefix to the engine designation.
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