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Adjust Castor, Steering in 300 TDT pulls right
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heav
2011-08-25 09:39:47 UTC
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I have a 1982 300 TDT. The steering is pulling to the right. I took it
to my favorite alignment guy and he adjusted the castor and the car
was tracking properly. I must have hit a chuckhole or something,
because the car is pulling right again.

If the car is pulling right do I want to move the right wheel forward
or backward to correct it? Does anybody know how many centimeters to
move it as a first try to see what happens? I am thinking this will be
trial and error and take a few tries before I get it right. I live way
out in a remote part of the California desert and it would mean a 200
mile drive to take it back to my alignment guy so I want to give it a
try myself.

Will adjusting the castor throw off the toe-in? My tires are wearing
well right now with no uneven wear like smooth shoulders or anything.
Tiger
2011-08-26 15:36:59 UTC
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I suggest you check all your suspension parts. Our cars are getting old so
the more we change in suspension, the more it drives like new. I am
suspecting that it is possible either upper control arm bushings or the
lower one is one the way out that with a bump, it shifted position...
affecting the castor.

Also for your steering... if your tie rods are old... you should change them
out. Lemforder or Moog only... don't go with cheaper brands as they don't
last long at all... My Meyles are wearing out so rapidly.

Also check your tire pressure... one pound off is enough to make car pull to
one side.
heav
2011-08-27 19:40:56 UTC
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Post by Tiger
I suggest you check all your suspension parts. Our cars are getting old so
the more we change in suspension, the more it drives like new. I am
suspecting that it is possible either upper control arm bushings or the
lower one is one the way out that with a bump, it shifted position...
affecting the castor.
Also for your steering... if your tie rods are old... you should change them
out. Lemforder or Moog only... don't go with cheaper brands as they don't
last long at all... My Meyles are wearing out so rapidly.
Also check your tire pressure... one pound off is enough to make car pull to
one side.
Thanks Tiger. I have changed the control arm bushings, but with
480,000 miles on the car they may need replacement again. My alignment
guy is a pretty good mechanic and he goes over it when he aligns it
and says everything is in good shape, but what you are saying makes
sense and I will check it out when I get the car in the air to set the
castor. I have done the tie rod ends too. I think I need a steering
damper, but that shouldn't make it pull I don't think.
Tiger
2011-08-27 22:34:16 UTC
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WOW... almost half a million miles!

Biggest change to suspension for most people are sway bar links... these are
super neglected. Once you change all 4, the car feels so planted to the
road.

Next big change is to change the springs... I feel they should be changed
every 100,000 miles. Upgrading to Eibach or any reputable lowering spring
kit is a huge improvement to all MB with spring suspension.

Shocks and struts are to be inspected before changing... You inspect it by
taking it partially out and work the rod in and out to see if they are still
strong or not. Forget about trying bounce test. Bilstein or the old Fitch
(remember this brand) on the older MB are pretty much last forever...


Usual upper and lower control arms are usually changed when ball joints are
worn... you can easily inspect the upper ball joint by grabbing with your
fingers and bounce the car with your chest... if you feel movement, it is
worn out. If it is really worn, you will hear clunk when you turn... another
way to test it on your drive way... turn all the way to either side... give
the car a little gas and slam on the brake... if you hear "THUCK" or "THUCK
THUCK" your ball joint are worn out. Repeat for the other side.

Again, for these upper and lower control arm... it is best to change them at
100,000 miles too.

The least inspected parts are the subframe bushings... Even myself... I am
not sure how to test them... but I'd suspect they are worn out by 200000
miles.

If you are handy, you can do all these stuff at very low cost. Consider the
fact they only cost X amount of money... and have a lifespan of 100000
miles... I think they are damn cheap for outstanding ride quality.

It pays to use high quality parts such as Lemforder, Moog and BIlstein...
they last a long time. Cheaper brands like Meyle ( I have used them) or
others... they don't last long at all... as short as 12000 miles. Mileage
varies depending on type of parts... but for suspension, cheap parts wear
out super super fast.... waste your time and money.
heav
2011-08-28 11:11:21 UTC
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Post by Tiger
WOW... almost half a million miles!
Biggest change to suspension for most people are sway bar links... these are
super neglected. Once you change all 4, the car feels so planted to the
road.
Next big change is to change the springs... I feel they should be changed
every 100,000 miles. Upgrading to Eibach or any reputable lowering spring
kit is a huge improvement to all MB with spring suspension.
Shocks and struts are to be inspected before changing... You inspect it by
taking it partially out and work the rod in and out to see if they are still
strong or not. Forget about trying bounce test. Bilstein or the old Fitch
(remember this brand) on the older MB are pretty much last forever...
Usual upper and lower control arms are usually changed when ball joints are
worn... you can easily inspect the upper ball joint by grabbing with your
fingers and bounce the car with your chest... if you feel movement, it is
worn out. If it is really worn, you will hear clunk when you turn... another
way to test it on your drive way... turn all the way to either side... give
the car a little gas and slam on the brake... if you hear "THUCK" or "THUCK
THUCK" your ball joint are worn out. Repeat for the other side.
Again, for these upper and lower control arm... it is best to change them at
100,000 miles too.
The least inspected parts are the subframe bushings... Even myself... I am
not sure how to test them... but I'd suspect they are worn out by 200000
miles.
If you are handy, you can do all these stuff at very low cost. Consider the
fact they only cost X amount of money... and have a lifespan of 100000
miles... I think they are damn cheap for outstanding ride quality.
It pays to use high quality parts such as Lemforder, Moog and BIlstein...
they last a long time. Cheaper brands like Meyle ( I have used them) or
others... they don't last long at all... as short as 12000 miles. Mileage
varies depending on type of parts... but for suspension, cheap parts wear
out super super fast.... waste your time and money.
I have changed the springs, but it's been a while, probably more like
200,000 miles. I had the engine remanufactured at 430,000 miles.
runbiodiesel
2011-08-29 01:47:35 UTC
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Post by heav
Post by Tiger
WOW... almost half a million miles!
Biggest change to suspension for most people are sway bar links... these are
super neglected. Once you change all 4, the car feels so planted to the
road.
Next big change is to change the springs... I feel they should be changed
every 100,000 miles. Upgrading to Eibach or any reputable lowering spring
kit is a huge improvement to all MB with spring suspension.
Shocks and struts are to be inspected before changing... You inspect it by
taking it partially out and work the rod in and out to see if they are still
strong or not. Forget about trying bounce test. Bilstein or the old Fitch
(remember this brand) on the older MB are pretty much last forever...
Usual upper and lower control arms are usually changed when ball joints are
worn... you can easily inspect the upper ball joint by grabbing with your
fingers and bounce the car with your chest... if you feel movement, it is
worn out. If it is really worn, you will hear clunk when you turn... another
way to test it on your drive way... turn all the way to either side... give
the car a little gas and slam on the brake... if you hear "THUCK" or "THUCK
THUCK" your ball joint are worn out. Repeat for the other side.
Again, for these upper and lower control arm... it is best to change them at
100,000 miles too.
The least inspected parts are the subframe bushings... Even myself... I am
not sure how to test them... but I'd suspect they are worn out by 200000
miles.
If you are handy, you can do all these stuff at very low cost. Consider the
fact they only cost X amount of money... and have a lifespan of 100000
miles... I think they are damn cheap for outstanding ride quality.
It pays to use high quality parts such as Lemforder, Moog and BIlstein...
they last a long time. Cheaper brands like Meyle ( I have used them) or
others... they don't last long at all... as short as 12000 miles. Mileage
varies depending on type of parts... but for suspension, cheap parts wear
out super super fast.... waste your time and money.
I have changed the springs, but it's been a while, probably more like
200,000 miles. I had the engine remanufactured at 430,000 miles.
This is great info! I have the same car and I hear a kind of clunk in
the front end when I turn the wheel either direction, not always but
frequently. Sounds like ball joints maybe? I have replaced the tie rod
ends not long ago. I've "only" got about 280,000 on mine. Still runs
like a champ and rides like a dream.

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